#518 : DUNKIRK

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Christopher Nolan’s Dunkirk received universal acclaim from critics, but the RF hosts aren’t so united in their praise, as two guys question its nonlinear structure. Joe criticizes the live-tweeting of film and television. Jared rips into a recent monster movie. Michael sees his recommendation hijacked by Joe and Jared. A listener’s 21st Century Top 25 is shared.

 

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  • Janosan

    Dunkirk, what a movie, what a great storytelling, technical achievement, suspense, music etc. I loved everything about this movie. I watched it 3 times in Imax. And then, I listened to my beloved podcast. Then I hear Jared speaking, and he said I shrugged afterwards. And this is the men who loved and recommended Magic Mike XXL (I turned it off halfway), Rogue One (piece of shit movie), and of course Silence (masturbation for Martin Scorsese) . I am not even going to comment on Hail Caesar.
    In my opinion, you and Michael are biased as fuck. When Coen brothers produced and directed shit movies you tend to love them even if these movies are the worst products of them. Another example is Martin Scorsese, if he directs a boring and unengaging shit like Silence, you can find some excuses to like the movie and praise him.
    You both have the same bias against Iñárritu and Christopher Nolan. They are both great storytellers and no matter what they do, you do not like their work. But you have your favorites also, and I understand that, like Werner Herzog for Michael and Steven Soderbergh for Jared. Michael even loved Lo and Behold. Which was a ridiculous movie and I lost my respect for him being too ignorant about tech (does internet dreams? what da fook is that?). And Jared, you gave 3 stars for this movie, you also gave 3 stars to Unbroken and Good German. Please do not defend these movies. Michael Bay could have done a better job.
    This is Richard Bachman – Stephen King issue all over again. If this movie was made by one of your favorites, you would love and defend it.
    Let’s talk about Dunkirk, first it looks gorgeous. Jared, you did not even mention a word about how this movie looks. Usually, especially when you watch Criterion Collection, you first mention about the looks. Strangely, you did not even notice how great this movie looks, you did not mention about cinematography, colors and sound.
    Timeline is not confusing at all, there are 3 different aspects and Nolan indicates them one by one at the beginning of the movie. And this is not even important.
    Music and sound is amazing. Even one of the veterans commented about that, and when you watch this in Imax, you can feel the force of the spitfires, bombings etc.
    This movie has a universal plot. War is hell. Period. And this is a perfect anti-war movie. I fought myself not to shed a tear as I was watching. And I failed.
    This movie is not about Britain, or Germans. Enemy is not important here. You do not see them. IT is about the basic human instinct.
    Cillian Murphy is a great actor, playing a ranking soldier survivor of a sinking ship. His determination to not to go back reveals which I think Nolan’s epic approach to this movie; There’s no running away from war.
    Air combat scenes were amazing. It points out the fact that a single distraction or lapse in concentration can kill you.

    Sinking ship scenes reveals only one thing, every man for himself. There is no room for heroism. This is about primal instinct. Survival.

    So quit being biased jerks and acknowledge the great work from a great director. No one else can shoot a movie like this in 2017.

    Michael always talks about Interstellar and he regularly uses the word ambitious.
    Well, if this is not an ambitious war movie, I don’t know which one is. Ryan? Hacksaw? Allied? (hahaha) 13 hours?
    Just because you like space and universe, you gave a pass for interstellar but not to this one.
    Be consistent for fucks sake.
    Anyway, I love you all. Keep up the good work. And publish episodes more frequently.

  • Janosan

    Dunkirk, what a movie, what a great storytelling, technical achievement, suspense, music etc. I loved everything about this movie. I watched it 3 times in Imax. And then, I listened to my beloved podcast. Then I hear Jared speaking, and he said I shrugged afterwards. And this is the men who loved and recommended Magic Mike XXL (I turned it off halfway), Rogue One (piece of shit movie), and of course Silence (masturbation for Martin Scorsese) . I am not even going to comment on Hail Caesar.
    In my opinion, you and Michael are biased as fuck. When Coen brothers produced and directed shit movies you tend to love them even if these movies are the worst products of them. Another example is Martin Scorsese, if he directs a boring and unengaging shit like Silence, you can find some excuses to like the movie and praise him.
    You both have the same bias against Iñárritu and Christopher Nolan. They are both great storytellers and no matter what they do, you do not like their work. But you have your favorites also, and I understand that, like Werner Herzog for Michael and Steven Soderbergh for Jared. Michael even loved Lo and Behold. Which was a ridiculous movie and I lost my respect for him being too ignorant about tech (does internet dreams? what da fook is that?). And Jared, you gave 3 stars for this movie, you also gave 3 stars to Unbroken and Good German. Please do not defend these movies. Michael Bay could have done a better job.
    This is Richard Bachman – Stephen King issue all over again. If this movie was made by one of your favorites, you would love and defend it.
    Let’s talk about Dunkirk, first it looks gorgeous. Jared, you did not even mention a word about how this movie looks. Usually, especially when you watch Criterion Collection, you first mention about the looks. Strangely, you did not even notice how great this movie looks, you did not mention about cinematography, colors and sound.
    Timeline is not confusing at all, there are 3 different aspects and Nolan indicates them one by one at the beginning of the movie. And this is not even important.
    Music and sound is amazing. Even one of the veterans commented about that, and when you watch this in Imax, you can feel the force of the spitfires, bombings etc.
    This movie has a universal plot. War is hell. Period. And this is a perfect anti-war movie. I fought myself not to shed a tear as I was watching. And I failed.
    This movie is not about Britain, or Germans. Enemy is not important here. You do not see them. IT is about the basic human instinct.
    Cillian Murphy is a great actor, playing a ranking soldier survivor of a sinking ship. His determination to not to go back reveals which I think Nolan’s epic approach to this movie; There’s no running away from war.
    Air combat scenes were amazing. It points out the fact that a single distraction or lapse in concentration can kill you.
    Sinking ship scenes reveals only one thing, every man for himself. There is no room for heroism. This is about primal instinct. Survival.
    So quit being biased jerks and acknowledge the great work from a great director. No one else can shoot a movie like this in 2017.
    Michael always talks about Interstellar and he regularly uses the word ambitious.
    Well, if this is not an ambitious war movie, I don’t know which one is. Ryan? Hacksaw? Allied? (hahaha) 13 hours?
    Just because you like space and universe, you gave a pass for interstellar but not to this one.
    Be consistent for fucks sake.
    Anyway, I love you all. Keep up the good work. And publish episodes more frequently.

  • I hated every character in this movie.

  • NDF

    Dunkirk, what a movie. I loved everything about this movie. I watched it 2 times in Imax. And then, I listened to my beloved podcast. Then I hear Jared speaking, and he said I shrugged afterwards. And this is the men who loved and recommended Magic Mike XXL (I turned it off halfway), Rogue One (piece of shit movie), and of course Silence (Martin Scorseses ultimate masturbation). I am not even going to waste any time commentin on Hail Caesar.
    In my opinion, you and Michael are biased as fuck. When Coen brothers produced and directed shit movies you tend to love them even if they are the worst products of them. Another example is Martin Scorsese, if he directs a boring and unengaging shit like Silence, you can find some excuses to like the movie and praise him.
    You both have the same bias against Iñárritu and Christopher Nolan. They are both great storytellers and no matter what they do, you do not like their work. But you have your favorites also, and I understand that, like Werner Herzog for Michael and Steven Soderbergh for Jared. Michael even loved Lo and Behold. Which was a ridiculous movie. Does internet dreams? What da fuck is that? Stupidity beyond belief. I love the mans previous works but that question showed me how much he is out of touch. And Jared, you gave 3 stars for this movie, you also gave 3 stars to Unbroken and Good German. I am out of insults for these 2 movies.

    This is Richard Bachman – Stephen King issue all over again. If this movie was made by one of your favorites, you would love it.

    Let’s talk about Dunkirk, first it looks gorgeous. Jared, you did not even mention a word about how this movie looks. Usually, especially when you watch Criterion Collection, you first mention about the looks. Strangely, you did not even notice how great this movie looks, you did not mention about cinematography, colors and sound.
    Timeline is not confusing at all, there are 3 different aspects and Nolan indicates them one by one at the beginning of the movie.

    Music and sound is amazing. Even one of the veterans commented about that, and when you watch this in Imax, you can feel the force of the spitfires, bombings etc.

    This movie has a universal plot. War is hell. And this is a perfect anti-war movie. I fought myself not to shed a tear as I was watching.

    This movie is not about Britain, or Nazis. Enemy is not important here. You do not see them. This is one hell of a war movie which was told in a different and original way.

    Cillian Murphy is a great actor, playing a rattled survivor of a sinking ship. His determination to not to go back reveals which I think Nolan’s epic approach to this movie; There’s no running away from war.

    Air combat scenes were amazing. It points out the fact that a single distraction or lapse in concentration can kill you.

    Sinking ship scenes reveals only one thing, every man for himself. There is no room for heroism. This is about primal instinct. Survival.

    So quit being biased jerks and acknowledge the great work from a great director. No one else can shoot a movie like this in 2017.

    Michael always talks about Interstellar and he regularly uses the word ambitious.
    Well, if this is not an ambitious war movie, I don’t know which one is.
    Just because you like space and universe, you gave a pass for interstellar but not to this one.
    Be consistent for fucks sake.
    Anyway, I love you all. Keep up the good work. And publish more episodes more frequently.

    • NDF, thank you for being a longtime listener! Glad to hear you enjoy the podcast. We try to publish one episode per week, but we’ve had trouble keeping up with that pace lately. But there’s a new one up today!

      Now for your complaints. Ultimately, we’re just not going to see eye to eye on Dunkirk (I don’t see it being anti-war; just recognizant of the necessary sacrifices and obvious horrors of war; no way would Nolan, a Brit, make an anti-war film with a WWII story) or probably Christopher Nolan’s filmography overall (good, not great). However, I must set the record straight regarding several mentioned items!

      In the Dunkirk episode I definitely talk about how the film looks (I referenced the scene where the water pours into the shot from the left side of the frame), and I’m the one who calls the cinematographer, van Hoytema, by name. I don’t think the timeline is, on its face, “confusing,” it merely distracts (on the first viewing) from everything else going on.

      I don’t agree that my reaction to Dunkirk is because of bias against Nolan, nor do I think I give a pass to directors I like. I was negative on Hail, Caesar! on the podcast, and I was also less enthusiastic about Inside Llewyn Davis than my cohosts. Also negative on The Ladykillers (who isn’t?) and indifferent on True Grit. Unbroken got a 2.5 out of 4 from me on the podcast. While I loved Silence, I am not all pro-Scorsese: recently, I shrugged at Hugo, and I’m not crazy about Shutter Island. Soderbergh is definitely a favorite, despite not having made any outright masterpieces imo, but I found The Good German, among others, mediocre and gave Behind the Candelabra 2.5/4 on the podcast. And I was quite negative on Herzog’s Lo and Behold on the podcast. I’m not sure I can name a director I love who hasn’t made at least one bad movie.

      I like Nolan for the most part, I just think he has certain tendencies that turn potential masterpieces into merely good movies. I am definitely in the minority on Iñárritu, but I think I’ve been consistent in my reasons. But if he (or any other director of whom I’ve been critical) makes a movie that I think is great, I’ll own up to it.